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	<title>Comments on: A 4800 Year Old Living Tree: Confirmed Prediction of Creationism</title>
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		<title>By: lordkalvan</title>
		<link>http://truthmatters.info/2007/09/14/a-4800-year-old-living-tree-confirmed-prediction-of-creationism/#comment-1454</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lordkalvan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 08:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I see that the artcicle you link to refers to dendrochronology studies based on bristlecone pines extending back some 11,000 years. I also notice that while you claim that the 43,600 years old lomatia tasmanica has been &#039;debunked&#039;, it would be more accurate to say that the evidence for its age is indirect; your claims that C14 dating is unreliable seem to be based solely on the fact that it fails to support a literal belief in a global Flood. I note as well that the quotation references a box huckleberry 13,000 years old which you seem to pass unchallenged. Your &#039;Confirmed Prediction of Creationism&#039; banner would seem therefore to be misleading and takes no account of a great deal of data from a wide variety of fields that all tend towards the conclusion that the age of the Earth can be measured in billions of years. This evidence is independent and consilient.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see that the artcicle you link to refers to dendrochronology studies based on bristlecone pines extending back some 11,000 years. I also notice that while you claim that the 43,600 years old lomatia tasmanica has been &#8216;debunked&#8217;, it would be more accurate to say that the evidence for its age is indirect; your claims that C14 dating is unreliable seem to be based solely on the fact that it fails to support a literal belief in a global Flood. I note as well that the quotation references a box huckleberry 13,000 years old which you seem to pass unchallenged. Your &#8216;Confirmed Prediction of Creationism&#8217; banner would seem therefore to be misleading and takes no account of a great deal of data from a wide variety of fields that all tend towards the conclusion that the age of the Earth can be measured in billions of years. This evidence is independent and consilient.</p>
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		<title>By: bwe1</title>
		<link>http://truthmatters.info/2007/09/14/a-4800-year-old-living-tree-confirmed-prediction-of-creationism/#comment-1414</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 05:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Boy. If anyone is actually curious to know whether creationists have any facts whatsoever on their side, that debate is shaping up to be a humdinger. Worth a read for sure.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy. If anyone is actually curious to know whether creationists have any facts whatsoever on their side, that debate is shaping up to be a humdinger. Worth a read for sure.</p>
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		<title>By: bwe1</title>
		<link>http://truthmatters.info/2007/09/14/a-4800-year-old-living-tree-confirmed-prediction-of-creationism/#comment-1401</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bwe1]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 23:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: Multiple rings...

Except that Bristlecones don&#039;t grow extra rings. That article likely refers to a claim made by a Don Batten where he tries to equivocate Monterey pines -actually his were even farm raised- with Bristlecones. Since he is a plant physiologist, he knows that this is a dishonest claim.

I may be wrong though, the reference may be someone else. If you find it, post it and I&#039;ll double check.

Dave and I are having a little debate on the subject as a matter of fact:

http://richarddawkins.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&amp;t=15538]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Multiple rings&#8230;</p>
<p>Except that Bristlecones don&#8217;t grow extra rings. That article likely refers to a claim made by a Don Batten where he tries to equivocate Monterey pines -actually his were even farm raised- with Bristlecones. Since he is a plant physiologist, he knows that this is a dishonest claim.</p>
<p>I may be wrong though, the reference may be someone else. If you find it, post it and I&#8217;ll double check.</p>
<p>Dave and I are having a little debate on the subject as a matter of fact:</p>
<p><a href="http://richarddawkins.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&#038;t=15538" rel="nofollow">http://richarddawkins.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&#038;t=15538</a></p>
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		<title>By: dhawkinsmo</title>
		<link>http://truthmatters.info/2007/09/14/a-4800-year-old-living-tree-confirmed-prediction-of-creationism/#comment-1399</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2007 22:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your claim that Creationism is not science is not supportable, but I challenge you to try to support it if you can.  I have debated many an evolutionist and shown them with support from prominent non-creationists that Creationism is at least as scientific, if not more so, than Evolution.  You should read some of these quotes at &lt;a href=&quot;http://afdave.wordpress.com/more-useful-quotes-for-creationists/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://afdave.wordpress.com/more-useful-quotes-for-creationists/&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your claim that Creationism is not science is not supportable, but I challenge you to try to support it if you can.  I have debated many an evolutionist and shown them with support from prominent non-creationists that Creationism is at least as scientific, if not more so, than Evolution.  You should read some of these quotes at <a href="http://afdave.wordpress.com/more-useful-quotes-for-creationists/" rel="nofollow">http://afdave.wordpress.com/more-useful-quotes-for-creationists/</a></p>
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		<title>By: bobcu</title>
		<link>http://truthmatters.info/2007/09/14/a-4800-year-old-living-tree-confirmed-prediction-of-creationism/#comment-1397</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bobcu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2007 04:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The scientific Theory of Special Creation and the Flood, commonly referred to as Creationism for short, predicts that the oldest living plant could not be much over 5000 years old because this is the approximate oldest date for the Great Flood of Noah, in which all terrestrial life (including plants) was destroyed.&quot;

Hello. Don&#039;t you think it would be very unusual and virtually impossible, for anything alive today to be older than 5,000 years? This would be a very easy prediction for creationists to make, because even if the earth is more than 4 Billion years old, it&#039;s not likely any life would be older than the tree you were talking about.

I&#039;m disappointed you would call creationism a scientific theory. Creationism is not science at all. It&#039;s a religious belief. It would be impossible to find a competent scientist who thought the earth was just a few thousand years old instead of the actual age of about 4 1/2 Billion years. Even the most religious scientists agree with this proven scientific fact that the earth is Billions of years old.

Also, even the very religious scientists, if they are competent, would never agree that there is any truth in creationism. Virtually every scientist in the world agrees the evidence proves all life evolved and humans are an ape species that developed from other animals.

There is a lot of false information being spread about what scientists agree about. Of course scientists disagree about a lot of things, but they all agree evolution is a fact. The rare scientist who doubts evolution is almost never a biologist, and is likely very incompetent.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The scientific Theory of Special Creation and the Flood, commonly referred to as Creationism for short, predicts that the oldest living plant could not be much over 5000 years old because this is the approximate oldest date for the Great Flood of Noah, in which all terrestrial life (including plants) was destroyed.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hello. Don&#8217;t you think it would be very unusual and virtually impossible, for anything alive today to be older than 5,000 years? This would be a very easy prediction for creationists to make, because even if the earth is more than 4 Billion years old, it&#8217;s not likely any life would be older than the tree you were talking about.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m disappointed you would call creationism a scientific theory. Creationism is not science at all. It&#8217;s a religious belief. It would be impossible to find a competent scientist who thought the earth was just a few thousand years old instead of the actual age of about 4 1/2 Billion years. Even the most religious scientists agree with this proven scientific fact that the earth is Billions of years old.</p>
<p>Also, even the very religious scientists, if they are competent, would never agree that there is any truth in creationism. Virtually every scientist in the world agrees the evidence proves all life evolved and humans are an ape species that developed from other animals.</p>
<p>There is a lot of false information being spread about what scientists agree about. Of course scientists disagree about a lot of things, but they all agree evolution is a fact. The rare scientist who doubts evolution is almost never a biologist, and is likely very incompetent.</p>
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		<title>By: danieljamesdevine</title>
		<link>http://truthmatters.info/2007/09/14/a-4800-year-old-living-tree-confirmed-prediction-of-creationism/#comment-1396</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[danieljamesdevine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2007 02:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Journal of Creation had a recent article suggesting that bristlecone pines might grow more than one ring per year (during rains, I guess)--which means they could be even younger.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Journal of Creation had a recent article suggesting that bristlecone pines might grow more than one ring per year (during rains, I guess)&#8211;which means they could be even younger.</p>
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